All the plants started flowering under 24 hour light. Bag Seed vs Hype Seed: Is it worth it to buy cannabis seeds? You found some cannabis seeds! Yay! Should you grow them? Or should you buy cannabis seeds online at an online seed bank like Seedsman Bag seeds are the obvious first choice for novice weed growers. Will bag seeds grow? Are they worth growing? Are they feminized? Find out!
New Weed Bag Seed Forget About It
All the plants started flowering under 24 hour light.
All the plants grew small buds and the weed sucked.
I’ve been traveling in my 2001 Chevy Express High Top Conversion van with Ricky, my 4 year old American Bulldog/Staffordshire Terrier mix, for the past year which has been really great. We’ve done over 15,000 miles and visited 23 states. I’m stuck home for the winter because I ran out of money.
What’s not so great? I haven’t been able to grow any weed and have been buying it in Colorado. The price hasn’t been too bad, $85.00 per ounce out the door at the Green Dragon weed store, but still, I can grow it for around $30.00 per ounce indoors and as low as $15, depending on how much I grow.
Note: I also get THC vape cartridges, $25.00 per 1 gram cartridge at the LivWell weed store while in Colorado. I think that’s a good deal.
Another Note: Black Market weed in the Midwest is around $225 per ounce which is the around the same price as illegal online weed. What a rip. The Black Market and online guys are cleaning up because my cost is actually more than their cost and they can get away with the high retail price because the legal medical and/or recreational weed in the mid-west is sold even higher than $225.
I buy my regular seeds here-click the banner then search regular seeds and you’ll see a ton of regular seeds for sale.
To be able to legally sell home grown weed would be so awesome but will never happen as long as the government has their claws in the industry. IMO, the worse thing to happen to marijuana is making it legal and controlled. It doesn’t need control or legalization, it needs nothing except be taken off the DEA list of drugs.
I’m stuck back at home for the winter saving money until we can hit the road again. Since I’ll be here for a while I started growing, popping my seeds the first week of November 2021.
There are a few things different with this grow.
- I’m using bag seeds I found in recently purchased weed in Colorado. I had no idea the strain, or the type of seed.
- I’m using 5 or 7 gallon fabric pots for the most part. I’m using a few 2-1/2 gallon pots because I’m low on soil mix.
- About the best thing that happens turning 70 years old; my income dropped liked a rock because of Covid-19 and I qualify for utility help. My electric bill is fixed at $45.00 per month no matter how much juice I use to grow.
I’ve been buying my seeds retail from Robert Bergman for several years now and I recommend him because I know you won’t get ripped off as they guarantee their seeds as well as delivery. All you have to do is contact them if you have a prob.
As you know, your electric cost is the number one expense when growing indoors at home. After analyzing my electric bill, it’s gone up about $50 per month since I stated growing. I’m using five, Mars Hydro 1000 watt white LED lights, and two, 300 watt older fashion purple LED lights along with 2 timers and a fan.
I started 10 bag seeds and they all popped. My plan was to let the seedlings grow until I could take one or two clones from each. Then I’ll mark the pots the mothers and their clones are growing in with the same number.
Using my grow tent I started to flower the clones using 12 on 12 off lighting so I could identify the males and females while their mothers were growing in another room in the veg cycle. I won’t lose any time doing it like this. You could also flower all the plants. You’ll be able to identify the males from the females then revert the females back to the veg cycle to continue growing.
First thing I noticed were five mothers in the veg cycle were starting to flower. I’m not an expert on auto flower plants but from what I’ve read, seeds from auto flower plants aren’t necessarily female, won’t produce plants that automatically flower and will most likely grow into hermaphrodite plants.
All the seed was from retail pot purchased in Colorado over the past few years. All I can surmise is that retailers are selling weed grown from auto-flower seeds. It’s surprising to me because IMO, over all, AF are a pain to grow, have less THC and the plants are smaller with lighter yields.
Out of the 5 mothers left, two were males and three were females. I was able to get six clones from three mothers and those will grow in the grow tent under 20 hours on and four hours of light off while their mothers are in their third week of the flowering cycle using 12 hours of light on and off.
The clones from the auto mothers started flowering so they are sharing a 2-1/2 gallon pot. I moved them into the flower room and we’ll see how they do. I can’t split them up because I don’t have enough soil mix and I don’t want to buy any.
In the past when I’ve grown auto flower seeds I used 14 hours of light and had good success. I like how they look with 12 hours of light so if I ever grow auto flowers again I’ll go with 12 hours of light on.
As it stands right now, from 10 bag seeds, I have the 4 original auto mothers plus 4 auto clones plus 3 females growing under 12/12 lights. I’m using four, Mars Hydro 1000 watt, white, LED fixtures and two, older Mars 300 watt purple fixtures for the flowering room. IMO the Mars 1000 LED fixture is a great deal. I’ve been using them for 2 years and they work perfectly.
In my grow tent I’m using one, Mars Hydro 1000 watt fixture. There are seven, five week old female clones. They will be in the veg cycle until they reach about 42” or so then I’ll switch to 12/12 light and start the flower cycle. I would like to veg my plants longer but because of limited ceiling height I have to be careful.
All the clones started flowering so I have them under 12/12 light. I’ve been harvesting the other plants and they are all leafy, not very sticky and frankly the weed blows. I barely get a 10 minute buzz.
In conclusion, you cannot trust modern bag seed anymore. Every seed I’ve grown found in recently purchased retail weed grows crappy plants.
Bag Seed vs Hype Seed: Is it worth it to buy cannabis seeds?
You found some cannabis seeds! Yay! Should you grow them? Or should you buy cannabis seeds online at an online seed bank like Seedsman or Seed Supreme? What about on social media or even at a dispensary? How important are the marijuana seeds you start with?
Sometimes you get lucky with plants grown from found seeds. This bag seed produce excellent quality buds (though weirdly, the starting weed was not purple at all)
Unpredictability is the biggest downside to seeds you find in your weed. I have seen incredible grow results with “bag seed” or seeds growers find in their weed, like the plant pictured above. The higher the quality of the starting weed, the greater the chance the seeds will produce good buds, too. That being said, bag seed can have problems including bud quality, poor germination rates, the potential for hermies, and unpredictable growth patterns.
Poor Quality Seeds = Confidence Killer!
Using random cannabis seeds (even from dank bud) can produce unpredictable results. Plants may grow wild or produce small airy buds with low potency, even if the original weed was dense and potent.
Pros of Using “Bag Seed” (seeds you find in your weed)
- Seeds are free (buying cannabis seeds can get expensive!)
- Easy (you already have seeds in hand)
- May produce good bud if it came from good buds
Cons of Using Bag Seed
- Bud quality may not be as good as the weed it came in
- Potential for poor germination rates since seeds likely weren’t stored properly
- Unpredictable growth patterns – for example, plants may get tall or take a long time for buds to mature before harvest
- Potential for male plants (male plants don’t produce buds while feminized seeds produce all-female, all bud-producing plants)
- Hermies are common (hermie plants produce seedy buds, which is often how seeds got in your bud in the first place)
Today we’ll investigate those potential issues so you can make an informed decision. Let’s do a quick deep dive!
1.) Bud Quality
Genetics makes an enormous difference to your results. For example, the following two strains were grown in the same space with the same grow medium, nutrients, and grow light, yet the results were completely different.
These strains were grown in identical conditions. The green plant produced almost double the yields. The purple plant produced far less yields but the buds were denser, smoother to smoke, and almost twice as potent (14% THC vs 26% THC). When you buy seeds, you can choose what you like instead of the results being left to luck.
2.) Germination Rates
Germination is the process of getting your cannabis seeds to sprout and turn into seedlings. Typically, seeds are removed from buds and stored in a cool dry place to keep them fresh and viable. However, if the seeds have been sitting in your buds and the buds, it’s possible they weren’t stored in optimal conditions. That can cause you to have low or poor germination rates, even if you’re using a proven germination method.
“Found” seeds may have poor germination rates, for example, they may start germinating and “stall out” like this one did. It seemed healthy but never grew past this point.
3.) Growth Patterns
Using random seeds (even from dank bud) can produce unpredictable results. Plants may grow wild or produce small airy buds with low potency, even if the original weed was dense and potent. This is because the genetics weren’t stabilized to produce consistent results.
Bag seeds may grow in unexpected ways!
4.) Male Plants
Cannabis plants can be male or female, and with regular seeds, about half of plants are male. Female plants produce buds, but male plants only produce non-smokable pollen sacs. That means most growers want to throw away male plants so they don’t take up room in the grow space. On top of that, if the pollen sacs open up and release pollen on any nearby buds, those buds will get pollinated and end up with seeds in them. If you found seeds in your buds, there’s a strong chance that pollen got on the buds while they were forming.
Why am I explaining this in an article about bag seeds? Because when you’re growing from bag seed, there’s a strong chance that about half of your seeds will end up being male plants. This is important because male plants don’t produce buds and male flowers make your buds seedy. You need to be on the lookout for them.
Unless growing with feminized seeds, typically about half of all seeds will grow into male plants like this one. Male flowers are pollen sacs, which look like bunches of grapes.
After a few weeks, male flowers open up and pollen gets everywhere.
If any pollen gets on your buds, it will cause seeds to grow. This is one way that seeds can get in your buds.
Whenever using found seeds, you should determine the sex of young plants as soon as possible. This lets you toss all the male plants before they start making pollen and seeding your buds.
5.) Hermies (Hermaphrodite Plants)
The other main way seeds end up in your buds is from a hermaphrodite plant, or “hermie”. A hermaphrodite is a plant that produces both male and female flowers (both buds and pollen). The pollen from the male flowers pollinate buds and cause seeds to grow just like if a male plant released pollen.
Why is this important? Hermie seeds often produce hermaphrodite plants, which means your buds will likely have seeds in them.
Notice how these plants are producing both female flowers (buds) and male flowers (the pollen sacs are circled). Remove this plant immediately because once the pollen sacs open up they will seed all your buds.
Another type of hermie produces small yellow growths often called bananas (the “banana” would normally be found inside a pollen sac but on some plants it will grow exposed on the bud). Bananas start releasing pollen immediately and also cause seedy buds.
The best way to ensure all your plants end up being female is to start with feminized cannabis seeds from a trustworthy breeder. (Do feminized seeds make hermies?)
If you plan to use bag seed, just remember that there is a chance the resulting plants will be hermies. Keep an eye out for pollen sacs and bananas.
Should I buy seeds on social media like Instagram or Facebook?
Many growers get seeds from other people on social media sites like Instagram or Facebook. Can these seeds be trusted?
You need to be wary of any informal source of seeds, especially from people you don’t know and trust. There are many scammers taking advantage of growers by sending poor quality cannabis seeds or even no seeds. Try to find at least two legitimate people who have ordered successfully from the same source before you send any money. It sounds like a pain but it can save you a lot of time and money.
Additionally, there are many scammers that pretend to be legitimate companies. For example, several people on Instagram have copied our account (profile and posts) then messaged people to sell seeds as if they were us. Then they seed seeds of unknown quality or don’t send anything at all. If you’ve been following our actual Instagram account, you may not notice the seller is @growweedeasy_ instead of @growweedeasy.
Double and triple-check your source before ordering seeds through social media. Don’t throw money down the drain.
Or even better, just order seeds from a proven seed source that offers high-quality seeds and a plethora of excellent strains. If you’re lucky enough to live need a cannabis dispensary, you can sometimes find quality seeds there.
Be on the lookout for scams when buying seeds on social media. Consider a proven source of seeds.
Conclusion: Get Hype Seed if you Can!
Use found cannabis seeds at your own risk. You may get decent or even great results, but you may be disappointed, which can be a real confidence killer especially for new growers. There’s nothing more frustrating than doing everything right only to get bad results after 4 months of growing. I highly recommend buying at least a few seeds from a trustworthy breeder to ensure you are happy with the weed you grow at the end.
Not sure where to get seeds? Learn where to safely buy seeds online. Learn about American genetics.
One awesome strain that won’t break the bank (3 seeds for $30) is Critical Purple Kush. I’ve grown it in different setups and buds produce smooth and relaxing effects. A crowd favorite.
Critical Purple Kush buds are sparkly with great yields, plant growth, and bud quality.
Looking for reaaaally potent buds and don’t mind paying a little extra? Check out Platinum Cookies (4 seeds for $55)
Bag Seeds and What to Expect of Them
Is it a good idea to grow cannabis from bag seeds? Will the final product be potent enough? Are you going to get feminized or regular plants? We give answers to these and other questions.
Novice growers keep asking questions about bag seeds all the time. A girl I know has recently fired at me a series of questions that she thought no one would ever answer. I’m sure at least some of you have been as puzzled by these questions as her. Here it goes:
I’ve been asking everyone about these bag weed seeds, and no one can explain this to me. Because I swear to God I can’t understand it myself. If the buds haven’t been pollinated, then the seeds should be sterile. But they aren’t! I’ve germinated one such seed myself, and it was growing fine.
If the buds HAVE been pollinated, then why the f… they are making me high?!
And if it was a feminized plant, is it normal for feminized plants to produce seeds?
Questions like these made me realize that people don’t grasp the concept of bag seeds. Moreover, there is a fundamental lack of understanding of how and why cannabis plants produce seeds. Can all of them be grown? Are all of them worth growing? How different types of seeds (feminized, autoflowering, regular, hermies, etc.) fit into the picture? In this post, I’ll try to bring clarity to these issues.
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Bag Seeds Meaning
Suppose you buy some buds in a ‘bag’ (a zip lock). You expect the buds to be high quality which means—among other things—that they’ll be without seeds. The buds really do look, smell and taste great, and make you high, too. However, when grinding them, you find a seed or two. And this is what we call ‘bag seeds’.
Will Bag Seeds Grow?
Most seeds you find in a zip lock will definitely grow. For plants, seeds are a means of reproduction. They aren’t just for show. Of course, there are sterile or infertile seeds in other crops that have been artificially modified, but not in cannabis. So these seeds grow like any other: they germinate, they sprout, they get bigger, and then you see your bag seeds flowering as any other type of marijuana would.
This is because the presence of seeds always means that there has been some natural pollination. Either there was some undetected male somewhere near the grow, or there were some stray male pollen sacks in female buds. The latter occurs much more often because female plants often grow a few male flowers due to stress (so called hermies, or hermaphrodites). But, no matter where the pollen has come from, the pollination leads to the production of seeds, and these seeds are fertile.
So, if you ask yourself: “Can I grow bag seeds?”, the answer is always ‘yes’. Can bag seeds grow good weed? Well, it’s another question. Read on.
Are Bag Seeds Worth Growing?
Growing unknown bag seeds is always a toss of a coin. Even if you like the buds in which you have found these seeds, it doesn’t mean you’ll get the same quality. Let’s put it this way: you’ve now met the mother (the buds you’ve just smoked), but you don’t know anything about the father (the source of pollen). It may have been outstanding, it may have been mediocre, or it may have been the most worthless ditch weed that grows in your area.
And don’t forget that the father could also have been another mother (a hermaphrodite plant). So do bag seeds work? Yes, they do. Are bag seeds any good? Well, this depends on the quality of both parents, and you simply don’t have enough information.
Having said that, a bag seed can be a real gem. You probably have heard stories of first rate strains that have been bred from seeds found in a bag of buds. One example is the famous Cinderella. It would be an irreparable loss for the marijuana growing community if the breeders of this masterpiece simply sneered at those seeds and threw them away.
Bag Seeds vs Seeds Bought in a Seed Shop
If you simply want to grow yourself some good bud and expect reliable results, by all means buy your beans online from a reputable seed shop.
The reasons to grow weed from bag seeds are very few:
- if you suspect that your bag seeds could be amazing and feel lucky (because you’ll need PLENTY of luck),
- when your budget is strained to spend any money on seeds,
- if you want to grow a lot plants outdoors in the cheapest way possible.
What we don’t recommend is growing bag seeds indoors. With the cost of the setup and electricity bills and what not, the money you spend on seeds is arguably the least significant expense item.
Some Questions about the Genetics
If you have read carefully what we have said above, you’ve already guessed that bag seeds, like any other type of weed seeds, can be really anything (in terms of their genetics). But, for clarity’s sake, let’s answer any specific questions that you might have.
Are Bag Seeds Feminized?
Whether the seeds found in buds are feminized or not depends on the source of the pollination. If the pollen was from a male plant, the seeds will be regular, meaning that the ratio of male to female plants will be around 50/50. But if the source of the pollen were male flowers (hermies) from the same plant or another female/hermie plant in the garden, the resulting bag seeds are feminized. Please note that such seeds are also very prone to become hermies if you subject them to stress.
Obviously, the only way to tell if your bags seeds are feminized or regular is to grow and flower them.
Are All Bag Seeds Hermies?
Most female plants can become hermies if you subject them to stress. It all depends on the amount of stress needed before you see male flowers in your female buds. If the buds have been pollinated by a male (see above), they will show more stability. If they have been pollinated by a hermie, watch out because even the least amount of stress can make such plants ‘turn to the dark side’.
On average, bag seeds are way less stable than store-bought seeds.
Can Bag Seeds be Autoflower?
If both parents were autos, the seeds are 100% autoflowering, too. The same if an autoflower self-pollinated itself (see our experiment where we produced our own feminized seeds by self-pollination using colloidal silver).
Is it Normal for Fem Plants to Produce Seeds?
Fem plants produce seeds just like any other type of plant (if you pollinate them). It doesn’t matter whether you have grown a plant from fem seeds or regular. Neither type is infertile. Of course, bud growers do everything they can to produce buds without seeds, but shit happens, doesn’t it?
Can Buds With Seeds Make You High?
The potency of buds is a matter of genetics, and not of whether the buds have been pollinated or not. Of course, buds with seeds have inferior quality because a pollinated plant directs all its energy to seed production and not resin production. Seeded buds are smaller, have less resin glands and lower levels of THC, but they DO make you high nevertheless. With many seeds, the quality is significantly worse. With a few, you’ll probably see no difference.
This is it. We hope we have answered all your questions. If not, don’t be shy to ask in comments.